Not necessarily too much, but most people have no idea how many products tylenol is in.
Lortab, percocet, darvocet, even the pain reliever they give by injection(torredol) is just a high powered motrin shot.
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Not necessarily too much, but most people have no idea how many products tylenol is in.
Lortab, percocet, darvocet, even the pain reliever they give by injection(torredol) is just a high powered motrin shot.
Post all the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
The calls are because:
1) nearly every household out there has these in their medicine cabinet
2) the calls are from misuse (purposeful and/or accidental), not from being used as directed.
And calling poison control doesn't mean someone HAS been injured by the drug, it generally means someone has taken too much or mixed it with something and they need to know what to do next.
Instances of liver failure are not from being used as directed either. It's largely from overuse and/or mixing with inappropriate substances (i.e. alcohol)
Be careful not to twist the facts or omit details.
btw - your lidoderm is more toxic in prescribed doses than tylenol in recommended doses. Are you sure you were prescribed that for your back? It's by prescription only and isn't prescribed for back pain - it's for shingles and post-shingles pain relief (surface nerve pain). That would be an off-label usage. Those things are crazy expensive too...
I have a compressed disk in my back. I take 800 mg ibuprofren (prescribed), as needed, to deal with it. The problem isn't going to go away and the ibuprofen treatment is less toxic to me than the higher-level pain killers long term.
I posted facts and didn't say that there weren't other reasons. Of course they are in most households and it's when it's overused. But I just said this...
"The problem is people pop the things too much..."
People constantly take them, because they are 1) Not that powerful and 2) because they think because it's an otc and not a narcotic, it doesn't do any damage. Esp. ff you have an existing problem with your liver or kidneys, doesn't have to be major, it won't dump it out of your system and build up.
Never said it wasn't more powerful, of course it is. Absolutely positive. That's what it is usually prescribed for and attributed to, but it's also prescribed for pain from things like fibromyalgia to p. Doctors due the "clinical trial" things for different problems all the time, even though it isn't widely prescribed for it. Just started it a few weeks ago, it works okay, I cut them in half and spread it out a bit. It's a 25 dollar co-pay, but that with primary and secondary insurance, they aren't cheap.
Well that's good, I mean if it works, that's great for anyone. I had a lot of pain medicine when I was younger, so I have a high tolerance automatically.
Acetaminophen is in about every pain reliever, that's part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by centennialdawg
The responsibility for one's health regarding OTC and prescription meds is to know what's in them and take them only as directed. Anyone that can't understand prescribing labels can walk into or call any pharmacy and get clarification.
The labels give the limits. Obey the label/prescribing directions.
This not only applies to tylenol and motrin but to anything else out there too.
Everything we put into our bodies has potential for harm.
It's up to us to know the risks and be wise, not for the government or other party to take meds (that are safe when used as directed) away from us because we might hurt ourselves with them.
Then why do you keep contradicting yourself? First it is because people pop them too much, now it is because it is in about every pain reliever.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
We aren't really arguing the article you posted, but instead, your comments on its use/misuse.
I think the summary to your argument is this:Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
You have a higher tolerance for pain meds, so you are now on higher level prescription painkillers to get the same relief many of us get from tylenol or motrin (understanding why, considering the medical background).
So since you personally really have no use for the stuff, you see no harm in just ditching it altogether (referring back your first sentence in this thread).
I dont have insurance that will let me run to the dr for aches pains and the other issues I listed earlier in the thread. People like me really need access to the common OTC meds.
I dont have insurance that will let me run to the dr for aches pains and the other issues I listed earlier in the thread. People like me really need access to the common OTC meds.
Thank you for saying that, My family (my husband,myself,and my son) have no insurance. It's not for the lack of looking though. My husband has diabetes and is on the insulin pump (as most of you know) and he also has Hashimoto's (SP) disease. I have a pituatary gland tumor that has to be monitored with a MRI yearly that I haven't had done in over 4 years. I have headaches almost daily if not every other day. Previously when I had insurance I was prescribed some expensive migraine medicine for them (can't remember the name). Now I continue to have the headaches and I get by with just taking Tylenol and Goody's powders. As for the insurance, hopefully soon we will be able to get some but the pre-existing condition clauses really suck and that is even if we can get insurance for the diabetes at at least a price that is not going to cost an arm and leg.. I am not to concerned with my lack of insurance but I am concerned with my husbands and son.
This is a good comment. I remember when they took Tylenol off the prescribed list. Or when whatever happened that made it otc. It helped folks with fevers and minor aches, hands down. But the same group that really have a problem not using too much Tylenol , would have the same problem with asprin or Lortab, if these were the common otc med. It is more of a "people problem" than a med problem, don't see any good solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by imported_elp6n
I don't disagree with any of this, it's absolutely right, a lot of things come personal responsibility...but people seem to struggle with it and that leads to problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by imported_elp6n
How am I contradicting myself? I said it was part of the problem, it is. The main problem to me is them popping them too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by centennialdawg
Everyone develops a tolerance to whatever medicine if used enough, this includes Tylenol. The more it's used, the less effective it gets, the more people take to balance that out...then the problems occur and people don't even realize it.Quote:
Originally Posted by imported_elp6n
The OP wasn't about the gov. or anyone taking anything away. It was about the legit recall on it based on consumer complaints, then businesses not taking the risk of carrying the product on its shelves. I think it's overused big time here, so a little less of it, doesn't really bother me. But I haven't condoned any taking it away from people by the gov. or anything, I use it occasionally for headaches myself like I originally said.
And no ones saying to take that away, I agree it is needed and used correctly by people like you, but it's used too much and can be really harmful...which it is ignored by many because it's OTC.
A testament to why the HC reform was needed. I'm covered by my parents insurance they get from my mothers job(the VA) and stepdads(which is Alpha's), I'll be on that until I'm 26, for as long as I can - because of the new bill btw. I've not got a good medical history and at a young age, plus several conditions now that I'll always have. If I weren't on theirs, I wouldn't have coverage and I don't know how I'll have coverage then without paying an ungodly amount for it - can only hope I get decent coverage from my job at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo99